http://forums.commandandconquer.com/jforum/posts/list/2.page JForum - http://www.jforum.net The most retarded is that 2 conscripts can't even kill and engineer that is moving in to capture a building. And that for a unit that has (if we can believe it's profile) a POWERFUL assault rifle. Well if 2 can't even kill an engi in time before it captures well than I think it's more of a toy then a gun.
And don't start saying: ''But it haz molotov.''
Well the molotov sux. Cuz by the time your cons have thrown 1 bottle there are 4 cons already dead on the ground. And if ur opponent is not retarded then he will move his units just a bit to avoid it and then start shooting again.

This is why I suggest to buff the firepower of a conscripts. ]]> http://forums.commandandconquer.com/jforum/posts/preList/2730/34843.page http://forums.commandandconquer.com/jforum/posts/preList/2730/34843.page GMT http://forums.commandandconquer.com/jforum/posts/preList/2730/34845.page http://forums.commandandconquer.com/jforum/posts/preList/2730/34845.page GMT 2) nerf Peacekeeper slightly. They are supposed to beat Conscripts, just by less.]]> http://forums.commandandconquer.com/jforum/posts/preList/2730/34854.page http://forums.commandandconquer.com/jforum/posts/preList/2730/34854.page GMT http://forums.commandandconquer.com/jforum/posts/preList/2730/34861.page http://forums.commandandconquer.com/jforum/posts/preList/2730/34861.page GMT http://forums.commandandconquer.com/jforum/posts/preList/2730/34862.page http://forums.commandandconquer.com/jforum/posts/preList/2730/34862.page GMT http://forums.commandandconquer.com/jforum/posts/preList/2730/34882.page http://forums.commandandconquer.com/jforum/posts/preList/2730/34882.page GMT
I was skirmishing the other day and like 5 conscripts got taken down by 2 imperial warriors, 1 veteran and 1 not. And no no lightsabers just pure shooting.

So thats something to think about.]]> http://forums.commandandconquer.com/jforum/posts/preList/2730/34902.page http://forums.commandandconquer.com/jforum/posts/preList/2730/34902.page GMT
He does have a point although a slight buff is needed so that they can deal with engineers. The anti infantry for the soviets is the armoured bear which can deal with small groups of infanmtry pretty well. The conscripts advantage is their secondary ability as molotovs are fairly effective against vehicles as well as infantry.]]> http://forums.commandandconquer.com/jforum/posts/preList/2730/34909.page http://forums.commandandconquer.com/jforum/posts/preList/2730/34909.page GMT
As for the engi thing, what engis are you talking about, the empire ones? I have always been able to kill engis on time with conscripts, except for a few and those have always been japanese ones in sprint mode, and thats fine, thats what that mode is for.

Conscripts are supposed to be absolutely weak, and yes its a powerful assualt rifle but the conscripts are hardly trained. "Training VIDEO"
They are fine the way they are.]]> http://forums.commandandconquer.com/jforum/posts/preList/2730/34919.page http://forums.commandandconquer.com/jforum/posts/preList/2730/34919.page GMT
As for the engi thing, what engis are you talking about, the empire ones? I have always been able to kill engis on time with conscripts, except for a few and those have always been japanese ones in sprint mode, and thats fine, thats what that mode is for.

Conscripts are supposed to be absolutely weak, and yes its a powerful assualt rifle but the conscripts are hardly trained. "Training VIDEO"
They are fine the way they are.[/quote]

They are fine the way they are? You gotta be kidding me. And no Im not talking about the japanese ones im talking about the allied ones. *** right conscripts are absolutely weak, but their also absolutely useless.

The difference between the conscript and pk and just too big. PKs only cost 200 for their Aoe Effect heavy damage burst that pushes back bears and dogs and with a shield that can withstand a sh*tload of damage and they can also bring down a building very fast. Conscripts only have their weak guns and molotovs only good for burning down a dried up bush.]]> http://forums.commandandconquer.com/jforum/posts/preList/2730/34940.page http://forums.commandandconquer.com/jforum/posts/preList/2730/34940.page GMT so sickles + conscripts >>> PK]]> http://forums.commandandconquer.com/jforum/posts/preList/2730/34949.page http://forums.commandandconquer.com/jforum/posts/preList/2730/34949.page GMT so sickles + conscripts >>> PK[/quote]

Yeah, seen some skilled players use Bears and Conscripts together.

Bear attacks and PK's goes into shield mode. Roar and stun them.
Use molotovs to one-hit-kill all stunned PK's.]]> http://forums.commandandconquer.com/jforum/posts/preList/2730/34956.page http://forums.commandandconquer.com/jforum/posts/preList/2730/34956.page GMT http://forums.commandandconquer.com/jforum/posts/preList/2730/35855.page http://forums.commandandconquer.com/jforum/posts/preList/2730/35855.page GMT
They can, but strangely enough, they cannot be attacked by bears while stunned if they have their shield up. That's where the conscripts come in.

Still, there is the issue that the conscripts coming from a sold building can't kill engies in time. That needs to be fixed.]]> http://forums.commandandconquer.com/jforum/posts/preList/2730/35863.page http://forums.commandandconquer.com/jforum/posts/preList/2730/35863.page GMT http://forums.commandandconquer.com/jforum/posts/preList/2730/35869.page http://forums.commandandconquer.com/jforum/posts/preList/2730/35869.page GMT
Yeah, I've heard this before. I haven't actually tried it yet though. Good to know.]]> http://forums.commandandconquer.com/jforum/posts/preList/2730/35874.page http://forums.commandandconquer.com/jforum/posts/preList/2730/35874.page GMT But PKs must be nerfed much - 2 PC can kill a bear, and in building assault mode can avoid bears attacks (this thing must be cancelled). They also too good in building defence, so conscripts arent effective in garrison clearing. Finally, PKs are not bad vs sickles in cost-equal numbers, so i dont understand, who tested them
Also allied AT inf is too good and must be nerfed since it cant be contered well 'cause of allies have a dogs and PCs, that kills bears in any cost-equal number with a minimum micro.
In fact, allies a completly op]]> http://forums.commandandconquer.com/jforum/posts/preList/2730/35880.page http://forums.commandandconquer.com/jforum/posts/preList/2730/35880.page GMT
PK can be stunned.
IW with swords can't be stunned.]]> http://forums.commandandconquer.com/jforum/posts/preList/2730/35883.page http://forums.commandandconquer.com/jforum/posts/preList/2730/35883.page GMT
You might be right, but I'm not 100% sure. All I know is when I watch game replays of the top players then Allies win more often.]]> http://forums.commandandconquer.com/jforum/posts/preList/2730/35885.page http://forums.commandandconquer.com/jforum/posts/preList/2730/35885.page GMT http://forums.commandandconquer.com/jforum/posts/preList/2730/35892.page http://forums.commandandconquer.com/jforum/posts/preList/2730/35892.page GMT
Although, the best thing is to use bears to kill PK's and cons to kill dogs.
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They are fine the way they are? You gotta be kidding me. And no Im not talking about the japanese ones im talking about the allied ones. *** right conscripts are absolutely weak, but their also absolutely useless.

The difference between the conscript and pk and just too big. PKs only cost 200 for their Aoe Effect heavy damage burst that pushes back bears and dogs and with a shield that can withstand a sh*tload of damage and they can also bring down a building very fast. Conscripts only have their weak guns and molotovs only good for burning down a dried up bush.[/quote]

If you cant kill an engi before it reaches a building you are absolutely pathetic. What do you think you arent supposed to attack it till the very last moment?! If you dont want them capturing stuff then you kill them the moment you see them, not right before the reach their goal. With all the factions you need to kill them well before they reach their target and you are supposed to have map awareness. ]]> http://forums.commandandconquer.com/jforum/posts/preList/2730/35989.page http://forums.commandandconquer.com/jforum/posts/preList/2730/35989.page GMT http://forums.commandandconquer.com/jforum/posts/preList/2730/35995.page http://forums.commandandconquer.com/jforum/posts/preList/2730/35995.page GMT http://forums.commandandconquer.com/jforum/posts/preList/2730/36009.page http://forums.commandandconquer.com/jforum/posts/preList/2730/36009.page GMT http://forums.commandandconquer.com/jforum/posts/preList/2730/36160.page http://forums.commandandconquer.com/jforum/posts/preList/2730/36160.page GMT http://forums.commandandconquer.com/jforum/posts/preList/2730/36241.page http://forums.commandandconquer.com/jforum/posts/preList/2730/36241.page GMT
How big of a noob are you?

50 conscripts killing 7 PKs? If 50 conscripts couldn't kill 7 PKs then they would DEFINITELY need a goddamn buff.]]> http://forums.commandandconquer.com/jforum/posts/preList/2730/36282.page http://forums.commandandconquer.com/jforum/posts/preList/2730/36282.page GMT
Just use some Bears to stun them, and they are dead...

Peace-Keepers aren't nearly as overpowered as people think them to be...]]> http://forums.commandandconquer.com/jforum/posts/preList/2730/36320.page http://forums.commandandconquer.com/jforum/posts/preList/2730/36320.page GMT http://forums.commandandconquer.com/jforum/posts/preList/2730/36326.page http://forums.commandandconquer.com/jforum/posts/preList/2730/36326.page GMT
That is wahy you use Bears to stun them, and then hit them with the Cocktails, killing even more than one per hit if their are near each other.

Also, do you know that you can use Force-Fire (Control+Click) to make Conscripts throw the Cocktail ahead of a moving target?]]> http://forums.commandandconquer.com/jforum/posts/preList/2730/36328.page http://forums.commandandconquer.com/jforum/posts/preList/2730/36328.page GMT http://forums.commandandconquer.com/jforum/posts/preList/2730/36331.page http://forums.commandandconquer.com/jforum/posts/preList/2730/36331.page GMT
The unique problem in Soviets vs. Allies right now is that the Bullfrog isn't effective at keeping Vindicators away from you. Peace-Keepers are easilly dealt with using Bears+Conscripts.]]> http://forums.commandandconquer.com/jforum/posts/preList/2730/36336.page http://forums.commandandconquer.com/jforum/posts/preList/2730/36336.page GMT
peacekeepers need a nerf]]> http://forums.commandandconquer.com/jforum/posts/preList/2730/36340.page http://forums.commandandconquer.com/jforum/posts/preList/2730/36340.page GMT
I'm a Soviet Player, and I know that Peace-Keepers deal ZERO Damage to Walls. Just put some around imporntant buildings (also avoiding Engies) and they are PK-Immune.

The problem in this Allies vs Soviets is the Vindicator...]]> http://forums.commandandconquer.com/jforum/posts/preList/2730/36344.page http://forums.commandandconquer.com/jforum/posts/preList/2730/36344.page GMT http://forums.commandandconquer.com/jforum/posts/preList/2730/36350.page http://forums.commandandconquer.com/jforum/posts/preList/2730/36350.page GMT
Just one Hammer tank (with GrinderTreads) can run over an infinite ammount of Peace-Keepers, because it heals while trampling them.

People need to learn Soviets better... They seem to think that Sickles are meant to counter PKs. NO. Sickles are much more of a Harassment unit. Also, their are faster than PKs. Just DON'T jump in the middle of 10 Peace-Keepers, getting in their maximum damage range, and hoping to kill them... Unless you are using the Toxic Waste power on your sickle. ;D

Vindicators are the problem, they can snipe Sickles before they even scratch Peace-Keepers.]]> http://forums.commandandconquer.com/jforum/posts/preList/2730/36358.page http://forums.commandandconquer.com/jforum/posts/preList/2730/36358.page GMT
why do people spam pks in allied mirrors? :/]]> http://forums.commandandconquer.com/jforum/posts/preList/2730/36364.page http://forums.commandandconquer.com/jforum/posts/preList/2730/36364.page GMT
The only problem is that their shotguns actually have a line-of-sight damage, so Peacekeepers that end up in front of each other tend to friendly-fire a lot... this effectively reduces your group of 20 PK's to about 5-10.

Or was that feature removed...? ]]> http://forums.commandandconquer.com/jforum/posts/preList/2730/36377.page http://forums.commandandconquer.com/jforum/posts/preList/2730/36377.page GMT
At least sold structures should net 2 conscripts so we can use them against engies.]]> http://forums.commandandconquer.com/jforum/posts/preList/2730/36378.page http://forums.commandandconquer.com/jforum/posts/preList/2730/36378.page GMT
At least sold structures should net 2 conscripts so we can use them against engies.[/quote]

I can see that happening. Receiving two Conscripts from a sold building seems logical.

[quote]its not just soviets vs allies

why do people spam pks in allied mirrors? :/[/quote]

This is happening right now because most players are having "easy wins" with PKs, just because people don't know how to counter them. Allies have IF-Turret+PeaceKeeper Combo, IFV+Peacekeeper Combo, IFV-Sniper, Dogs with High0Technology (10 Sec-Stun) and also, walls... It is pretty simple.
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While trying to familiarize myself with one faction, I haven't been doing well with the Soviets... because of the Viindicator... Soviet AA sucks! The Tesla however is grand. ]]> http://forums.commandandconquer.com/jforum/posts/preList/2730/36411.page http://forums.commandandconquer.com/jforum/posts/preList/2730/36411.page GMT http://forums.commandandconquer.com/jforum/posts/preList/2730/36469.page http://forums.commandandconquer.com/jforum/posts/preList/2730/36469.page GMT http://forums.commandandconquer.com/jforum/posts/preList/2730/36471.page http://forums.commandandconquer.com/jforum/posts/preList/2730/36471.page GMT http://forums.commandandconquer.com/jforum/posts/preList/2730/36472.page http://forums.commandandconquer.com/jforum/posts/preList/2730/36472.page GMT
Conscripts are trash in competitive games. They cannot un-garrison a building with PK's in it, period. They have no chance of beating PK's, and shouldn't ever be used for this purpose. This only ends in tears. Bears aren't very cost-effective against a large group of PK's, yet are the only real solution early game. The only true purpose of a Conscript is to hijack a vehicle once Natascha snipes it.

Walls are a very band-aid solution right now, and hopefully this will change with the 1.05 patch.]]> http://forums.commandandconquer.com/jforum/posts/preList/2730/36568.page http://forums.commandandconquer.com/jforum/posts/preList/2730/36568.page GMT
[/quote]

I stoped reading here and started to lol hard.]]> http://forums.commandandconquer.com/jforum/posts/preList/2730/36585.page http://forums.commandandconquer.com/jforum/posts/preList/2730/36585.page GMT
[/quote]

I stoped reading here and started to lol hard.[/quote]

That's a nice story.]]> http://forums.commandandconquer.com/jforum/posts/preList/2730/36640.page http://forums.commandandconquer.com/jforum/posts/preList/2730/36640.page GMT
[/quote]

I stoped reading here and started to lol hard.[/quote]

That's a nice story.[/quote]

Nah just joking mate. I did read it and it's true the more skilled players don't really use these forums.]]> http://forums.commandandconquer.com/jforum/posts/preList/2730/36643.page http://forums.commandandconquer.com/jforum/posts/preList/2730/36643.page GMT
At least sold structures should net 2 conscripts so we can use them against engies.[/quote]

Agreed, i did an engi rush as allies yesterday v soviets and i managened top get to his base before he could stop me, i evaced my engi from the IFV to try and cap his super reactor, he sold it and a conscript came out, so i sent it to the war factory (on foot that is) that wasn't too far away, but wasn't next to it. The conscript was fireing at it and it still made it to the warfactory, even though it was sold, its stupid to say the least.

The conscript can't even kill an engineer ON foot running up to a building thats quite far away for an engineer, he probebely could have used a bear to stun and kill my engi, but he didn't. This shouldn't be allowed to happen whatsoever, they are probebly weaker than conscripts from RA2.]]> http://forums.commandandconquer.com/jforum/posts/preList/2730/36680.page http://forums.commandandconquer.com/jforum/posts/preList/2730/36680.page GMT
and they can summon megaman-bosses into the fray]]> http://forums.commandandconquer.com/jforum/posts/preList/2730/36830.page http://forums.commandandconquer.com/jforum/posts/preList/2730/36830.page GMT
I was skirmishing the other day and like 5 conscripts got taken down by 2 imperial warriors, 1 veteran and 1 not. And no no lightsabers just pure shooting.

So thats something to think about.[/quote]

Perhaps you learned then? If there is a single engineer wanting to capture your buildings, provided it's not the mcv, let him capture it. That makes a lot more sense than deciding to sell off everything. Then you can either try to capture it back, or kill him next time before he's in your base. Be happy it was an engineer and not Tanya. ]]> http://forums.commandandconquer.com/jforum/posts/preList/2730/37423.page http://forums.commandandconquer.com/jforum/posts/preList/2730/37423.page GMT http://forums.commandandconquer.com/jforum/posts/preList/2730/37434.page http://forums.commandandconquer.com/jforum/posts/preList/2730/37434.page GMT http://forums.commandandconquer.com/jforum/posts/preList/2730/37439.page http://forums.commandandconquer.com/jforum/posts/preList/2730/37439.page GMT
and they can summon megaman-bosses into the fray[/quote]

Your forgot to mention the antiair instafreeze cannon they should have....]]> http://forums.commandandconquer.com/jforum/posts/preList/2730/37448.page http://forums.commandandconquer.com/jforum/posts/preList/2730/37448.page GMT
and they can summon megaman-bosses into the fray[/quote]

Your forgot to mention the antiair instafreeze cannon they should have....[/quote]

Plus a secondary ability which allows them to self-destruct with an explosive force that wipes everything off the map. (Only one use per game: This effectively forces an "everybody loses" condition.)]]> http://forums.commandandconquer.com/jforum/posts/preList/2730/37497.page http://forums.commandandconquer.com/jforum/posts/preList/2730/37497.page GMT