Messages posted by: Bun-Bun

Just posting to let those know who care about it that the Steam version has been patched and no longer contains SecuROM as it was advertised not to.

And to all those naysayers who want proof.

Direct from Steam

The point is... you should not HAVE to have an internet connection to play a SINGLE player game...

CommanderT wrote:

EvilConker wrote:

CommanderT wrote:i push my position enough as it is, talking about piracy is a bit much

If that's the case, then we shouldn't be allowed to talk about it either.

In case you didn't notice, Commander, you're no more special then any one of us here, side from the fact that you have a label under your name and can edit other people's posts/sticky your own/lock threads/ post in locked ones.

your not allowed to talk about it, but the threads fairly tame. I never said i was special, but if i talk about it in detail i could lose the whole moderator thing compared to a thread being locked.

And seeing as i feel i'm doing a lot in my position i'd rather not risk it

You feel you are doing a lot by calling people whiners and saying they shouldn't be actively against something that matters to them (and/or sharing information about versions of games that contain or not contain said DRM)? Your personal opinions need to stay the !@#$ out of your posts if you are going to represent EA sir.

CommanderT wrote:you don't quite get what i am getting at

Or you just make no sense at all and are just an EA elitist.

And yes I can say that if you have the gall to call us whiners.

CommanderT wrote:yes thats right i am a poor mod because i have a differing view to you. What do you expect of a good mod? to be neautral on all topics, please its not going to happen.

hardrive failures, how often does that occur in general. You can also get them to give that back to you

You act immature in your posts. Honestly, look back at your post and tell me what the point was in that?

You have obviously never worked in IT before.

CommanderT wrote:Theres alot more to piracy than guys who *** the games and stick them on torrents

I guess EA hasn't figured it out either then since games with hefty DRM are just as much pirated then games without...

CommanderT wrote:
btw there is no limit

Prove it. Where has anyone stated/proved there is no install limit on the game?

psycho063 wrote:
But seriously DRM is useless it doesn't stop pirates and could only be a potential nuisance to legit users. Not a big deal but I for once would have loved that the money they spent on it went into further enhancing the quality of the game (hint: purchasing blank DVD's for Uprising and printing material ).

lol.

CommanderT wrote:why is this topic appearing again, peopel couldn't care less about securom, its been around for years and years. not a peep from anyone except a few people online (dare i say it nerds) who actually knew about it and had problems with it.

The whole hype about it being the devils spawn only appeared when the limits were put onto it, and then a wild fire of rumours spread around, caused confusion etc etc.

The developers removed that limit through the use of a tool.

whine over, you won, now move onto something else

You are a poor moderator.

There are people who do care. And the entire DRM issue lately is opening peoples eyes and there is more and more people having a problem with it. I am simply relaying information to those that care. If YOU don't then that's fine. I would expect better from a mod of an official forum. SecuROM before this latest variant was a lot simpler and a lot less limiting and is why it did not get as much attention. Its basically a last straw sort of scenario. For a lot of people, SecuROM 7 was/is the last straw.

And the tool does nothing. Sure if you have the convenience of being able to uninstall the application and deauthorize it from your computer it would be fine. However that is not always, and for a lot of people not the case. Harddrive failures do occur. Data loss does occur. Power surges that fry electrical components do occur (even when behind a good powerbar or UPS). I could go on.

Post from that thread on the Steam forums.

http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9008397&postcount=76

Just got a response from steam.

EA accidentally patched their Steam version of the game with a DRM'd version. We should have a patch out sometime next week that will correct this.

About 20%. Search my posts on this forum and you will know why.

Zhen wrote:

Bun-Bun wrote:That tool accomplishes nothing. What if your harddrive crashes?

Really that is your fault if you're not careful.

That is probably one of the most ignorant comments I have ever read.

A hard drive is a mechanical device. It is not a question of if it will fail but WHEN it will fail (And there is not a *** thing you can do to prevent it either). WHEN it does fail your screwed as far as your activation goes. That tool is useless.

That tool accomplishes nothing. What if your harddrive crashes? You lose the ability to deauthorize your account.

What if the game corrupts? Again you lose the ability to deauthorize.

If you guys can't see whats wrong with DRM then fine. Live in your ignorant worlds and have fun. I wish I could be like you!

But don't flame people who actually care about it.

Anshrew wrote:I still don't really see the problem with secuROM. All it is, is an advanced version of the cd-key check that games have used since forever.

People say you can't have something like daemon tools, or emulators installed or securom won't let you play/install those games. Ive got those and RA3 works fine, so do other securom games ive got.

Not everyones computer is the same and the way SecuROM works is flaky to begin so its not hard to believe some have issues and others dont. Myself have only had problems with process explorer as I have daemon tools and a few others. Also you have to have said programs drivers/runtime files in memory at the time of loading the game (having them installed on your computer doesn't mean squat).

Also SecuROM is not just an advanced CD Check. I would have absolutely no problems with a CD Check. Fact is SecuROM 7 is DRM and DRM is bad (just look at all the problems arising from it. for example you buy $1000 worth of DRM ridden music and then the company shuts down its license servers... uh-oh all that music is useless now unless you remove the DRM which again makes you criminal so either way you are screwed and this has already happened numerous times once companies realized DRM filled music is a futile effort.)

DRM is bad on so many levels and is becoming a major political issue (why do you think there is a government party in europe called piracy which there entire purpose is to battle DRM?)

Also look to how many games are proving that great sales can be had without DRM. World of Goo is a great example. Things like SecuROM are a waste of money and time and an stop needs to be put to it all.

Piracy rates 20 years ago were 90%. With things like SecuROM around piracy is still 90%. It accomplishes absolutely nothing other then costing publishers money and *** off paying customers. A very simple CD Check is all you need to keep the honest honest. Either way there will be a *** for a game a week before release so it doesn't matter.

apt.pupil wrote:

Bun-Bun wrote:

apt.pupil wrote:go onto the old forums.

there is at least 3 threads about the activations system.

http://forums.ea.com/mboards/category.jspa?categoryID=34

and when i say 9/10- i am implying that nearly all people who moaned about securom were moaning because of the activations.

and also note that the guy in the thread you posted is a hypocrite.

C&C games from TS had securom in it.

if he is any good with codes, like he says he is- he would have noticed way back when

sigh... back in the days of avatars...

Point is there are way more people pissed of about it in general then you think. Its not just the online activations. That was just the last straw.

Yes older games do have SecuROM. But not SecuROM 7 in all its program blocking rootkit installing glory. This trend needs to stop and it needs to stop NOW. And the only thing publishers understand is our wallets. And the only way to show them the truth is to not support anything with SecuROM anymore and to support all the little guys that are releasing games without DRM to prove a point (example 2D Boys and the World of Goo. Great game BTW)

Securom has always been a rootkit. that hasn't changed since it's beginning.

what has changed is it's level of complexity.

however contrary to most opinions, securom is NOT malware, since it isn't defined as malicious software.

personally- i don't care if a game has DRM on it or not- if it is good, then i will buy it.

that is why i own F.E.A.R.

i despise Gamespy with every ounce of p[assion- yet i own a TON of gamespy games because the games themselves are just so *** good

Gamespy doesnt treat you as a crminal and/or affect people worldwide on a political level.

DRM is bad. Case and Point. If you can not understand that with all the news and everything going around then god help you. Boycotting it is the only way we have to tell developers/publishes to stop useing it.

apt.pupil wrote:go onto the old forums.

there is at least 3 threads about the activations system.

http://forums.ea.com/mboards/category.jspa?categoryID=34

and when i say 9/10- i am implying that nearly all people who moaned about securom were moaning because of the activations.

and also note that the guy in the thread you posted is a hypocrite.

C&C games from TS had securom in it.

if he is any good with codes, like he says he is- he would have noticed way back when

sigh... back in the days of avatars...

Point is there are way more people pissed of about it in general then you think. Its not just the online activations. That was just the last straw.

Yes older games do have SecuROM. But not SecuROM 7 in all its program blocking rootkit installing glory. This trend needs to stop and it needs to stop NOW. And the only thing publishers understand is our wallets. And the only way to show them the truth is to not support anything with SecuROM anymore and to support all the little guys that are releasing games without DRM to prove a point (example 2D Boys and the World of Goo. Great game BTW)

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