@EALA Assault Destroyer really is a problem. We allready have abusers!

ya, unless u spam flaks....course with the price increase i dunno if u will have enough

and if ure empire.....well pray that is a big map so u can deploy ur wf lol

or that he sux at it

91_Slavik wrote:ya, unless u spam flaks....course with the price increase i dunno if u will have enough

and if ure empire.....well pray that is a big map so u can deploy ur wf lol

or that he sux at it

Nah, cryocopter health is nerfed, flak turret can be built in no time and it's a total protection. Spam flaks for the second ref. Oh and btw TARGET THE VINDI, not the cryocopter if you don't have a turret

psycho063 wrote:

91_Slavik wrote:ya, unless u spam flaks....course with the price increase i dunno if u will have enough

and if ure empire.....well pray that is a big map so u can deploy ur wf lol

or that he sux at it

Nah, cryocopter health is nerfed, flak turret can be built in no time and it's a total protection. Spam flaks for the second ref. Oh and btw TARGET THE VINDI, not the cryocopter if you don't have a turret

well duh

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91_Slavik wrote:

psycho063 wrote:

91_Slavik wrote:ya, unless u spam flaks....course with the price increase i dunno if u will have enough

and if ure empire.....well pray that is a big map so u can deploy ur wf lol

or that he sux at it

Nah, cryocopter health is nerfed, flak turret can be built in no time and it's a total protection. Spam flaks for the second ref. Oh and btw TARGET THE VINDI, not the cryocopter if you don't have a turret

well duh

Sry, wrong quote: It was a reply to Wertiliq

lols

Well from watching this replay you posted it looked to me like it was an awesome game. It didn't consist of Soviets Tesla Expanding followed by Twinblade spam or PK/Turret/Tanya Drop. Learn to treasure balanced games when you get them instead of complaining. Sure he was spamming AD's, but they certainly weren't invincible. Just learn to deal with them like everything else.

Caustic wrote:Well from watching this replay you posted it looked to me like it was an awesome game. It didn't consist of Soviets Tesla Expanding followed by Twinblade spam or PK/Turret/Tanya Drop. Learn to treasure balanced games when you get them instead of complaining. Sure he was spamming AD's, but they certainly weren't invincible. Just learn to deal with them like everything else.

Dude, it doesn't matter if they were beatable in this match (JFYI i didn't watch it all). If EA made a mistake, it has to be rectified imediatly.

firehk0515 wrote:

Caustic wrote:Well from watching this replay you posted it looked to me like it was an awesome game. It didn't consist of Soviets Tesla Expanding followed by Twinblade spam or PK/Turret/Tanya Drop. Learn to treasure balanced games when you get them instead of complaining. Sure he was spamming AD's, but they certainly weren't invincible. Just learn to deal with them like everything else.

Dude, it doesn't matter if they were beatable in this match (JFYI i didn't watch it all). If EA made a mistake, it has to be rectified imediatly.

ad bh armor was suposed to give 35% extra armor, right now it gives 130% lool so ya its a bug

Caustic wrote:Well from watching this replay you posted it looked to me like it was an awesome game. It didn't consist of Soviets Tesla Expanding followed by Twinblade spam or PK/Turret/Tanya Drop. Learn to treasure balanced games when you get them instead of complaining. Sure he was spamming AD's, but they certainly weren't invincible. Just learn to deal with them like everything else.

He has attacked my base with 5+ad's combined with riptides AND cryocopters. Migs couldn't touch the cryocopters. The only way I fended off that attack was WITH TWINBLADES. He didn't have any apollo fighters at that time. If he did have EVEN 1 I would have been toast right there. That bought me some time to strike back. Plus I got lucky with killing his mcv with a KIROV while he had 8 apollos roaming around (gotta love it's secondary lol)

psycho063 wrote:

Caustic wrote:Well from watching this replay you posted it looked to me like it was an awesome game. It didn't consist of Soviets Tesla Expanding followed by Twinblade spam or PK/Turret/Tanya Drop. Learn to treasure balanced games when you get them instead of complaining. Sure he was spamming AD's, but they certainly weren't invincible. Just learn to deal with them like everything else.

He has attacked my base with 5+ad's combined with riptides AND cryocopters. Migs couldn't touch the cryocopters. The only way I fended off that attack was WITH TWINBLADES. He didn't have any apollo fighters at that time. If he did have EVEN 1 I would have been toast right there. That bought me some time to strike back. Plus I got lucky with killing his mcv with a KIROV while he had 8 apollos roaming around (gotta love it's secondary lol)

So he attacked your base with a combined force and your complaining about having to counter it?

Try countering a force of Bullfrogs, Apocalypse Tanks, and Bears as Allies. Its one thing to complain if he stormed your base with a bunch of Assault Destroyers only and you couldn't counter them, but in this case your just making a fuss that a unit that was useless for so long suddenly requires some strategy to beat. ADs could *** up MiG missiles long before the patch, its just never happened to you before because people didn't build them.

Caustic wrote:

psycho063 wrote:

Caustic wrote:Well from watching this replay you posted it looked to me like it was an awesome game. It didn't consist of Soviets Tesla Expanding followed by Twinblade spam or PK/Turret/Tanya Drop. Learn to treasure balanced games when you get them instead of complaining. Sure he was spamming AD's, but they certainly weren't invincible. Just learn to deal with them like everything else.

He has attacked my base with 5+ad's combined with riptides AND cryocopters. Migs couldn't touch the cryocopters. The only way I fended off that attack was WITH TWINBLADES. He didn't have any apollo fighters at that time. If he did have EVEN 1 I would have been toast right there. That bought me some time to strike back. Plus I got lucky with killing his mcv with a KIROV while he had 8 apollos roaming around (gotta love it's secondary lol)

So he attacked your base with a combined force and your complaining about having to counter it?

Try countering a force of Bullfrogs, Apocalypse Tanks, and Bears as Allies. Its one thing to complain if he stormed your base with a bunch of Assault Destroyers only and you couldn't counter them, but in this case your just making a fuss that a unit that was useless for so long suddenly requires some strategy to beat. ADs could *** up MiG missiles long before the patch, its just never happened to you before because people didn't build them.

the ad black hole armor gives it 130% more armor.........

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Caustic wrote:

psycho063 wrote:

Caustic wrote:Well from watching this replay you posted it looked to me like it was an awesome game. It didn't consist of Soviets Tesla Expanding followed by Twinblade spam or PK/Turret/Tanya Drop. Learn to treasure balanced games when you get them instead of complaining. Sure he was spamming AD's, but they certainly weren't invincible. Just learn to deal with them like everything else.

He has attacked my base with 5+ad's combined with riptides AND cryocopters. Migs couldn't touch the cryocopters. The only way I fended off that attack was WITH TWINBLADES. He didn't have any apollo fighters at that time. If he did have EVEN 1 I would have been toast right there. That bought me some time to strike back. Plus I got lucky with killing his mcv with a KIROV while he had 8 apollos roaming around (gotta love it's secondary lol)

So he attacked your base with a combined force and your complaining about having to counter it?

Try countering a force of Bullfrogs, Apocalypse Tanks, and Bears as Allies. Its one thing to complain if he stormed your base with a bunch of Assault Destroyers only and you couldn't counter them, but in this case your just making a fuss that a unit that was useless for so long suddenly requires some strategy to beat. ADs could *** up MiG missiles long before the patch, its just never happened to you before because people didn't build them.

*facepalm*

Why can't people wrap their minds around the fact that just because a unit can be countered doesn't mean it's not OP?

ADs are first and foremost support units. That obviously means that nobody can spam them and win. However, they are OP because THEY MAKE ANY FORCE TWICE AS POWERFUL. A single AD adds the health of an MCV across all your units, and for what? $300 more than a Striker-VX. It makes any assault force three times more difficult to kill. There's no Tier 2 unit in the game that can kill ADs quickly, and because of that the main, damage-dealing portion of the enemy force runs complete unchecked, able to kill you without taking any damage in the process, meaning even if you do kill the AD you'll have lost so much of your forces that you're dead.

An AD on blackhole armor + 1 guardian vs the same cost in Tsunamis? Tsunamis get decimated. Same cost in Guardians vs same cost in Tsunamis? Much closer fight.

EA_Apoc wrote:Just to set expectations, at this point, a hot-fix patch would ONLY include the Assault Destroyer fix as that is most critical and "game breaking". Everything else from balance opinions to "random match" opinions is all subjective and not "game breaking" and this would be deferred to our next primary patch further down the line. Please do not expect any changes in a hot-fix that are not hyper-critical game-breaking exploits.

Thanks!
APOC

Hi Apoc
I'm really impressed by the support RA3 is getting. It's great that this is going to be fixed. However, there are still a few game-breaking bugs and exploits, and I hope these can be fixed in 1.12. This includes the bullfrog exploit which you said would be fixed for 1.11, but wasn't. Please read the red entries on the second post, here: http://forums.commandandconquer.com/jforum/posts/list/16867.page
Thanks and keep up the great work!

91_Slavik wrote:

firehk0515 wrote:

Caustic wrote:Well from watching this replay you posted it looked to me like it was an awesome game. It didn't consist of Soviets Tesla Expanding followed by Twinblade spam or PK/Turret/Tanya Drop. Learn to treasure balanced games when you get them instead of complaining. Sure he was spamming AD's, but they certainly weren't invincible. Just learn to deal with them like everything else.

Dude, it doesn't matter if they were beatable in this match (JFYI i didn't watch it all). If EA made a mistake, it has to be rectified imediatly.

ad bh armor was suposed to give 35% extra armor, right now it gives 130% lool so ya its a bug

Its 65% you quere

L2Statistics

well some1 said to me was 130%...ima gonna bash him later

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