October Ladder Wars Final Results + Replays!

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The explosive finale to the October Ladder Wars hit the battlefields hard last week as the first Ladder Wars Champions were crowned. Check inside for full results and replays!

http://portal.commandandconquer.com/portal/site/redalert/article/detail?contentId=73fdb44d78bc4210VgnVCM1000006017780aRCRD

Umm... I don't mean to sound negative but these were just Tengu Spam wars between Empire opponents with the exception of the first match. If you guys want to keep this game alive then you got to do something to make Empire vs. Empire more interesting! Also, I noticed that there were no Allied players which seems to imply that Allies aren't competative at the top level anymore.

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Caustic, stop bashing a matchup which you don't even play. I, personally, think EvEs are rather fun, because the game generally comes down to skill, not BO poker.

Also, a group of 4 people isn't enough to say whether the game is balanced or not. (there were originally 4, but Nukestrike was unable to play) when you have 2 Empire 1 Soviet 1 Random (although Technique picked Soviet throughout the tourny) it's not too bad, anyway. You'll see allies in future ladder wars.

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Caustic, stop bashing a matchup which you don't even play. I, personally, think EvEs are rather fun, because the game generally comes down to skill, not BO poker

So your implying that mirrored Tengu spam is more fun then having a variety of units on the battlefield? I would prefer a game of counters and good timing rather then a game of transforming poker combined with whoever has more Tengus wins. A single build order should not previal over the others in all cases, because then it's not really a real time strategy its more like a real time repetition.

Also, you failed to mention that your targetted attacks on me in my thread were based on a false premise, as these games were clearly not the ones you were refering to. At least dignify me with this please.

I didn't say they were the MOST fun, but rather fun. If the whole game was that, I would become tired of it really quickly, but I find it exciting that every few games you have a good ol' mirror with lots of tengu spam and micro.

Also, you are under the misapprehension that there is no strategy in EvEs. I won't bother breaking that mindset, it's too hard, you really need to play quite a few before you begin to understand. And, I ignored your second paragraph, because they have absolutely no meaning to this topic. (not that it makes any sense anyway)

Very well... it was a mistake to get into an arguement with such a dedicated Empire fanboy, rather then somebody more enlightened on all factions. Should have seen your signature.

Cuastic, all your posts are stupid and retarded. EvE is the best match up, just cuz you hate it, doesn't mean everyone hates it. and its not just tengu spam. maybe for you, and your noob friends it is. the game doesn't usually end unless theres vx's and tsunamis in there.

Hmm, who's Cuastic?

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BTW, it's a bit hard to see my signature when RA3boards is down

And I laugh at 'dedicated Empire fanboy.' You, being a 'dedicated Allied fanboy', are somehow saying you know more about EvEs, when you have no idea what you're talking about. So, yes, perfectly right you shouldn't get into an argument with me, at least on this topic.

Also, unless I'm very much mistaken, simpleforce, who just replied to you, is otherwise known as Torchlight, who, although he did get beaten in these ladder wars, is a excellent player to even get there.

I actually favour both the Soviets and Allies equally, but I prefer the Allies for their micro potential. Apart from the fact that the finals were dominated by the empire, I would have liked to see the proffessionals playing Allies a little more to demonstrate their current potential. My opinion on the battles were that they were boring to watch, purely from a spectator's point of view. Perhaps making lots of Tengus is a necessity, but it really shouldn't be considering how they are only a Tier 1 unit.

My main arguement, perhaps poorly stated, is there should be mulitple build orders and strategies that work for each faction so the individual can add his touch to every game he plays. Empire strategy is faceless and predictable, and often difficult to counter even when you know its coming. I would have liked to see some more variety in how the top of the pile played their game... or even some creativity.

simpleforce may be Torchlight and hence one of the current masters of Red Alert 3, but he is very unproffessional on the boards and has attacked me among others from day one of release for no good reason, as clearly demonstrated by his low karma. I wouldn't be in too much of a rush to prop him up to boost your arguements.

for no good reason? look at your balance proposal, 80% of it is so stupidly thought out.

I rest my case.

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And he rests his case

Actually, at one point, in this same patch version, the whole top play was dominated by Allies players, mostly from the Alias clan. But, they all left, and now Alias only has 1 regular player in RA3, an Empire player named Invader. (EDIT: there's also the king of Allied cheese builds, Malle)

So, with so many Allies players gone, it's not surprising that they do not have a huge presence in the top. Even then, however, it's not just Allies, since Soviets have had similar things happen to them.

The reason that the game may appear imbalanced, is because there's one Empire player, Das.Duelon, who still plays Empire, and plays it really well. As JimRaynor would put it, it's not the faction that is OP, but the extreme skill and micro that he uses.

Also, FYI, there is a lot of different builds that can be done in Empire mirrors, but they aren't often used. For example, Das.Duelon has recently been doing a 2 sudden/lots of TB strat, with relatively good success. I've seen lots of variations, from the occasional infantry spam, to even an MCV push or two (not turret push, generally). In fact, if you asked Simpleforce, he may be able to tell you some of the weird strategies that I've tried on him (but, unfortunately, he's absolutely thrashed me, although it has worked well on people nearer to my skill level)

If the Empire theoretically got a new unit, which role do you think it would best furfil?

Caustic wrote:If the Empire theoretically got a new unit, which role do you think it would best furfil?

it would "furfil" a support type unit so they have op tactics. earlier than tier 3, like a TD or cryocopter or laser pointer.

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